{"id":1004814046,"date":"2026-10-08T22:54:42","date_gmt":"2026-10-09T06:54:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.commercialsearch.com\/news\/?p=1004814046"},"modified":"2026-10-08T23:02:08","modified_gmt":"2026-10-09T07:02:08","slug":"commercial-design-lab-robert-clemens-on-labs-conversions-and-workplace-design","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.commercialsearch.com\/news\/commercial-design-lab-robert-clemens-on-labs-conversions-and-workplace-design\/","title":{"rendered":"Commercial Design Lab: Robert Clemens on Labs, Conversions and Workplace Design"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=d86gfjEz4S0QRQ-H\" title=\"YouTube video player\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n<div 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joins <em>Commercial Property Executive<\/em>\u2019s Beata Lorincz to discuss the city\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.commercialsearch.com\/news\/alternative-disruptors-life-science-real-estate-in-transition\/\">life science sector<\/a>, commercial building conversions and the trends reshaping workplace and retail design.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Although New York\u2019s life science market has faced leasing and availability challenges, Clemens believes the sector is broadening rather than disappearing. Instead of thinking narrowly about traditional lab space, he sees the future in research and innovation environments that can accommodate everything from robotics and battery research to prototyping and education.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>LISTEN TO THE PREVIOUS EPISODE IN THE SERIES:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.commercialsearch.com\/news\/commercial-design-lab-charles-bloszies-on-what-makes-building-conversions-work\/?_thumbnail_id=1004803764\">What Makes Building Conversions Work<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cScience has evolved and science will continue to evolve,\u201d Clemens said. \u201cI like to think of it not so much as a life science market, but as a research and innovation market.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The conversation also explores what makes commercial buildings suitable for conversion. According to Clemens, infrastructure and adaptability are key, whether a property is being transformed into residential, medical or research space. 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Rather than focusing only on finishes and amenities, owners are increasingly thinking about service, branding and the overall experience tenants have across entire portfolios.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Looking ahead, he believes flexibility will remain central to New York\u2019s built environment, as owners increasingly seek buildings that can adapt to new technologies, changing work patterns and future uses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p>Here\u2019s a breakdown of their discussion:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=n9AGbipJVur0LI9F&amp;t=65\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">1:07<\/a>) Robert&#8217;s path to architecture<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=blnntrZcOwpYNddT&amp;t=174\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">3:54<\/a>) Joining Perkins&amp;Will<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=-lxlGzWqGexPEYG0&amp;t=332\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">5:32<\/a>) The Perkins&amp;Will and A+I Merger<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=jzXPlWSmaukZ13tx&amp;t=456\">7:37<\/a>) NYC&#8217;s life science sector<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=CwUMCLLjXoPo-ZdE&amp;t=673\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">11:13<\/a>) What makes a successful life science project<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=mUTmui_6xPer2JYx&amp;t=830\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">13:50<\/a>) Converting buildings into lab space<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=NLt9I9IAxlIfb0g2&amp;t=942\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">15:43<\/a>) Other commercial building conversions<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=tZTb2eaAoN5qsFI_&amp;t=1083\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">18:03<\/a>) Challenges of building conversions<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=Pxak_j9UQr9Zx0MD&amp;t=1209\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">20:09<\/a>) Commercial design trends: workplace &amp; retail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=-zG-4vQtx1BJ_5AK&amp;t=1393\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">23:13<\/a>) The future of NYC&#8217;s built environment<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xvphFmJ08Lo?si=y30JPdgyAE33mrYO&amp;t=1582\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">26:21<\/a>) AI in architecture<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n<iframe allow=\"autoplay *; encrypted-media *; fullscreen *; clipboard-write\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"175\" style=\"width:100%;overflow:hidden;border-radius:10px;\" sandbox=\"allow-forms allow-popups allow-same-origin allow-scripts allow-storage-access-by-user-activation allow-top-navigation-by-user-activation\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.podcasts.apple.com\/ro\/podcast\/commercial-design-lab-perkins-wills-robert-clemens\/id1552202952?i=1000793997220\" ><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Follow, rate and review CPE\u2019s podcasts on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/192KwbDpOsZbF3dBXfaDkS\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Spotify<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ro\/podcast\/commercial-property-executive\/id1552202952\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,<\/em>\u00a0<em>and don\u2019t forget to subscribe to CPE\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@CommercialPropertyExecutive\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">YouTube<\/a>\u00a0channel!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Managing Principal at Perkins&#038;Will, Clemens discusses how New York\u2019s built environment is evolving, from life sciences and health care to workplace and retail design.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":739,"featured_media":1004814053,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[52689,21808,1600,10,21747,21795],"tags":[33971,52921,36695,51813],"class_list":["post-1004814046","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-architecture-design","category-featured","category-new-york","category-northeast","category-office","category-podcasts","tag-adaptive-reuse-projects","tag-commercial-design-lab","tag-life-science-real-estate","tag-perkins-will"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v28.0 (Yoast SEO v28.0) - 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